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Posts Tagged ‘bible’

Responses to common Christian apologetic claims

Monday, October 27th, 2008

The Bible says the Earth is unsupported. (Job 26:7)
This is perhaps one of the best pick-and-choose Christian arguments, in which they single out a few Biblical verses that seemingly support modern science. Christians who make this claim seem to have forgotten to include certain verses (Job 38:4-6) which clearly state that the earth has foundations. This is in exact contradiction to the fact that the earth is unsupported. It even directly contradicts the earlier verse that Christians use to claim that the Earth is unsupported. Anyone seeking to reconcile the Biblical view to the modern scientific view certainly has more than enough passages to select from and interpret; while ignoring others that make the Bible sound like nothing more than a primitive attempt at understanding the world.

The Bible describes the water cycle in astounding detail. (Ecclesiastes 1:7)
Astounding detail? This is what the verse says:
“All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again.”

What is so astounding about that? The verse merely says that water returns to the source of the streams. It doesn’t mention anything about condensation or evaporation. This is merely wishful thinking on the part of anyone who deceives themselves into thinking that some sort of divine revelation happened here.

The Bible says the earth is round. (Isaiah 40:22)
The verse reads “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth”. A circle is flat and without any volume (in contrast to a sphere). Newsflash: A circle and a sphere are not the same things. Isaiah 11:12 refers to the ‘four corners of the earth’. Why don’t mainstream Christians take that as the indicator of the earth’s shape? Telling, isn’t it?

The Bible has always proven to be factually correct.
Are these verses factually correct in light of modern science?

Leviticus 11:6- Rabbits chew their cud and have hooves.
Leviticus 11:20-23- Insects are four-legged, e.g. grasshoppers.

Do I need to go on?

The Bible is historically correct and consistent.

Really? Well, that must be news because as far as I know, Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 cannot even agree regarding Jesus’ lineage. There are also historical records found in China, Egypt, etc. that show life going on normally during the exact time the global flood was alleged to have taken place. For a flood of such epic proportions, something stinks to high heaven (pardon the pun) here.

The Bible is reasonable.
Reasonable? Let’s take a look at Genesis 30:37-39. Did anyone tell you that shoving striped rods in front of animals causes them to have striped offspring? God really needs to learn a thing or two about basic genetics, don’t you think?

In Numbers 22:2-29, Balaam doesn’t seem the least bit surprised to discover that his donkey could suddenly speak. I suppose this must be because stuff like that used to happen every day in Biblical times although the Christian god has become strangely silent now.

Wait, all this is supposed to be reasonable? My bad.

Sorry, Christian apologists. You need to try harder next time.

5 Biblical Contradictions That’ll Make You Contradict Your Own Existence

Monday, October 27th, 2008

If you’ve actually read the bible then you know that contradictions appear more than Jesus on toast, yet it’s not often you see a strident believer standing on a soapbox and preaching the gospel of contradiction.  Instead, he’ll preach that it’s literal truth, or at least that it’s a bunch of helpful metaphors.  Either way you swing it, be it that truth and contradictions only work together when defining ‘oxymoron’, or that a metaphor that contradicts with another metaphor isn’t necessarily the best way to compare things, the bible is only as helpful as the eyes of those who colour it.
So i’ve taken it upon myself – with the help of your friendly neighborhood contradiction preachers – to paint this town red and give you the five best glaring contradictions from the bible, with some modern equivalents to put the proverbial cherry on top.

1. Animal before man? Or man before animal?

So we all know the story…Adam is lonelier than a prepubescent WOW addict so God brings him some animals to name.

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone.  I will make a helper suitable for him.  Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air.  He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. [Genesis 18-19]

What the preachers of contradiction have to say about it:

Modern equivalent:

Moderator: Senator McCain, are Americans better off than they were 8 years ago?
McCain: I think you could argue that Americans overall are better off.

Reporter: Senator, you do not believe we are better off by any means than we were 8 years ago
McCain: Oh no…no. (assuredly).

2. Two animals? Or seven animals?

So God didn’t know if he created man or animal first.  So what, we all have brain burps once and awhile.  Surely he must have understood how many animals needed to be put on Noahs ark for them to procreate and once again populate the earth… right?  Two seems reasonable…

You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.  Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. [Genesis 6:19]

What the preachers of contradiction have to say about it:

Modern equivalent:

McCain: We let spending get completely out of control.  Of course those tax cuts have to remain perminent.

McCain: I voted against the tax cuts

McCain; I voted to extend them

McCain: I voted against the tax cut

McCain: I’ve always been for tax cuts

3. It is finished? Or Father, into your hands I commend my spirit?

God didn’t have the greatest track record through the old testament.  It was violent, barbaric, and nationalistic.  “No wonder it had contradictions,” you say.  “It was so clearly written by man.”…Right?

What you really mean, to take the words right out of Anne Coulter’s mouth, is that the New Testament corrected the Old Testament, contradictions and all.  Unfortunately, the writers of the NT weren’t any less prone to human folly than those who wrote the OT.

According to the way most people contrast the OT and NT, one could reasonably expect Jesus’ last words to be something along the lines of “God, I hath forsaken your Old Testament,” or “Father, I know you were drunk when you wrote the Old Testament.  I’m honoured to have corrected your mistakes.”

Instead Jesus said this:

Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last. [Luke 23:46]

What the preachers of contradiction have to say about it:

Modern equivalent:

Moderator: Senator McCain, you have said repeatedly quote “I know alot less about economics than I do about military informed policy issues.  I still need to be educated.
McCain: Actually, I don’t know where you got that quote from.

McCain: I’ve got to convince people because of my extensive background on the economy and knowledge.

McCain: I don’t have that kind of expertise to know whether exactly he has cut interest rates sufficiently or not.

4. Simon of Cyrene? Or Jesus of Nazareth?

Contradictions aside, the story of Jesus’ crucifixion is stupefyingly mortifying.  They beat him, lashed him, cut him, stuck a ring of thorns around his head, and then made him carry the very device upon which he would die…

So the soldiers took charge of Jesus.  Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull.  Here they crucified him…[John 19:17-18]

What the preachers of contradiction have to say about it:

Modern equivalent:

McCain: Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outreaches of American  politics and the agents of intolerance whether they be Lewis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

Reporter: Do you believe that Jerry Falwell is still an agent of intolerance?
McCain: No I don’t

5. Judas committed suicide? Or Judas fell?

Now imagine you’re Judas.  Jesus is dead, and you ratted him out.  In other words, you narked out the one and only son of God – the one who was sent here to die for the sins of all mankind.  Surely that must weigh heavy on your conscience.  It only follows that you’re first option might be to just off yourself…

So Judas thew the money into the temple and left.  Then he went away and hanged himself. [Matthew 27:5]

What the preachers of contradiction have to say about it:

Modern equivalent:

McCain: We either keep our word or we don’t keep our word.  I intend to keep my word to the American people.
Me: See aforementioned contradictions.

* All biblical quotations are from the New International Version (NIV)

* McCain quote sources:
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Personal relationship with Jesus?

Tuesday, August 12th, 2008

Rick Warren: Christianity is not like other religions because it is a personal relationship with Jesus. Christianity teaches that Christians will have a personal relationship with Jesus in a process of ‘falling in love with him’.

Here comes the fun part: I am going to refute Warren’s assertion using the Bible itself.

There are various passages that speak of how one is required to repent of sins and believe that Jesus was resurrected and is the only way to the Father to be saved. The act of believing in Jesus is a far cry away from actually having a personal relationship with Jesus, and here we shall see that nowhere in the Bible is there such a mandate for this personal relationship dogma. As far as the Bible is concerned, this doctrine is simply made up by evangelical Christian theologians.

Let us now take a look at John 15: 1-13.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Here, we can see that being a Christian involves a vague spiritual union with Jesus, but nowhere in there is the ‘personal relationship’ which is much touted by modern Christianity even seen. Warren’s “carrying on a continual conversation with Jesus” seems ridiculous in light of scripture. The Bible does not even say anything remotely like what Warren claims, yet he sums up Christian worship as having this very relationship (which is notably absent from the Bible)!

Next comes John 10:1-16, in which Jesus says that his sheep recognize his voice, while those not of his flock turn a deaf ear:

1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. 13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

These verses again have nothing to do with a personal relationship with Jesus and talking to him on a daily basis. These verses simply depict the reception and rejection of the gospel, where the non-believers are likened to Satan’s flock as opposed to the Christians of Jesus’ flock. Let’s take a look at John 10:14 in particular, as most Christians will pull out this verse haphazardly to save their precious doctrine. What this verse really means is that Jesus’ followers will be able to distinguish him from the false teachings and teachers that were earlier mentioned in John 10:8. It has nothing to do with the personal relationship that Warren so desires.

Christians will usually point out Revelation 3:20 next. Is this the saving grace for Warren’s assertions?

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Sadly (at least for Warren and his followers), it falls short yet again. By itself, the verse sounds promising. It shows not only Jesus talking with you, but also eating with you! However, when put in context, the verse is contained in John’s letters to the seven churches, and the letters are regarding the events of the End Times, not a personal relationship with Jesus.

But, what about the whole context of the letter to Laodicea? Doesn’t the whole letter hint at a personal relationship with Jesus? Am I the one now following Warren’s cue at taking Bible verses out of context? Well, let’s take a look at the scripture:

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

What this letter really says is that Jesus is calling on those within the city, hoping that they will hear him so that they can be led to salvation. These events will take place just before the End Times, and all this has clearly nothing to do with having cozy personal conversations with Jesus. The supper that Jesus promises is not some one-on-one Warren-like meeting, but the Marriage Supper of the Lamb at the End Times:

Revelation 19: 7-9:

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Even further on, in Revelation 19: 17-21, Jesus is not even hinting at wanting a personal relationship with Christians at all. He is merely inviting his flock to witness and indulge in the slaughter of the non-believers and the beast:

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

I have clearly shown that these gory details are nothing like Warren’s “falling in love with Jesus” and conversing daily with Christ. Even better still, I am relying solely on the *Bible (albeit without Warren’s back-and-forth hopping using about 15 translations) to show that Warren’s whole premise of “real Christian worship” is not founded upon anything in the Bible. There is simply no basis in scripture for claiming that Christianity entails having a personal relationship with Jesus, therefore, one of the most popular Christian slogans has been refuted using the Bible itself.