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	<title>Comments on: Triangulation FTL: Right Wing Pastor Rick Warren to Lead Invocation</title>
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		<title>By: blueboy</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/12/20/triangulation-ftl-right-wing-pastor-rick-warren-to-lead-invocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5826</link>
		<dc:creator>blueboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its deplorable all the same though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its deplorable all the same though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Neely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not know that.</description>
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		<title>By: blueboy</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/12/20/triangulation-ftl-right-wing-pastor-rick-warren-to-lead-invocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5797</link>
		<dc:creator>blueboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhh I don&#039;t think it was Obama&#039;s decision to have Warren lead the inauguration of his presidency. The Joint Congressional Commitee on Inaugural Ceremonies chooses who leads the inauguration. Obama has really little say, so.....to say that Obama has chose Warren to inaugurate him is wrong. Its clearly is out of his hand, and there shouldn&#039;t be this reasoning that he is trying to appease the religious right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh I don&#8217;t think it was Obama&#8217;s decision to have Warren lead the inauguration of his presidency. The Joint Congressional Commitee on Inaugural Ceremonies chooses who leads the inauguration. Obama has really little say, so&#8230;..to say that Obama has chose Warren to inaugurate him is wrong. Its clearly is out of his hand, and there shouldn&#8217;t be this reasoning that he is trying to appease the religious right.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Best seller&#039; doesn&#039;t imply quality. Invariably its quite the opposite.

People are often swayed by emotional rhetoric, bad arguments, and fluff.
L. Ron Hubbard, Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, Ayn Rand, and other self-help gurus always sell well. Like a used car salesman, they tell you what you want to hear.

Its unfortunate, but I have more sympathy for people who end up having to deal with the idiots; those who consume bestsellers like candy, than the idiots themselves. Maybe that sounds harsh, and maybe it is. But when people keep doing stupid things, over and over, my patience tends to wear thin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Best seller&#8217; doesn&#8217;t imply quality. Invariably its quite the opposite.</p>
<p>People are often swayed by emotional rhetoric, bad arguments, and fluff.<br />
L. Ron Hubbard, Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, Ayn Rand, and other self-help gurus always sell well. Like a used car salesman, they tell you what you want to hear.</p>
<p>Its unfortunate, but I have more sympathy for people who end up having to deal with the idiots; those who consume bestsellers like candy, than the idiots themselves. Maybe that sounds harsh, and maybe it is. But when people keep doing stupid things, over and over, my patience tends to wear thin.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Obama is a shrewd politician, you just don&#039;t get where he is today without having political sense. Having said that, his &#039;real&#039; views are not only impenetrable on that basis, but could very well have simply shifted with experience, as they do for many people. We simply don&#039;t, and probably will never, know. What&#039;s important is what he &#039;does&#039;.

You are correct though, he does support marriage rights within civil unions, as any shrewd politician would. And abolishing state recognized &#039;marriage&#039;, in favor of civil unions for everyone, has always seemed to me, to be the most reasonable compromise on such a divisive issue. Not to mention, it fits in better with the ideas of separation of church and state. Also, giving civil unions full rights would give straights, who are pro-gay rights, a way of showing support, by simply ignoring &#039;marriage&#039; in favor of state civil unions. Everyone wins.

This is essentially the same issue that stalled gay marriage in canada for so long. People are willing to argue endlessly about the definition of words. And I have little doubt that if a prop 8 vote had been allowed in Canada at the time it was being decided, there is a very good chance there would be no &#039;gay marriage&#039; here either. Luckily we have a less-democratic system. Some times that&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Obama is a shrewd politician, you just don&#8217;t get where he is today without having political sense. Having said that, his &#8216;real&#8217; views are not only impenetrable on that basis, but could very well have simply shifted with experience, as they do for many people. We simply don&#8217;t, and probably will never, know. What&#8217;s important is what he &#8216;does&#8217;.</p>
<p>You are correct though, he does support marriage rights within civil unions, as any shrewd politician would. And abolishing state recognized &#8216;marriage&#8217;, in favor of civil unions for everyone, has always seemed to me, to be the most reasonable compromise on such a divisive issue. Not to mention, it fits in better with the ideas of separation of church and state. Also, giving civil unions full rights would give straights, who are pro-gay rights, a way of showing support, by simply ignoring &#8216;marriage&#8217; in favor of state civil unions. Everyone wins.</p>
<p>This is essentially the same issue that stalled gay marriage in canada for so long. People are willing to argue endlessly about the definition of words. And I have little doubt that if a prop 8 vote had been allowed in Canada at the time it was being decided, there is a very good chance there would be no &#8216;gay marriage&#8217; here either. Luckily we have a less-democratic system. Some times that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on.   The society in general needs to love learning and knowledge to make any real progress.  Anti-intellectualism is suicidal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on.   The society in general needs to love learning and knowledge to make any real progress.  Anti-intellectualism is suicidal.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a dark time years ago when a manager at Wal-mart said to me, when I explained that what he was asking was physically impossible, &quot;Don&#039;t think, just do it.&quot;

Whatever happened to &quot;Come, let us reason together, says the Lord your God&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a dark time years ago when a manager at Wal-mart said to me, when I explained that what he was asking was physically impossible, &#8220;Don&#8217;t think, just do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever happened to &#8220;Come, let us reason together, says the Lord your God&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Neely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My tone is different since I am quite fond of Obama, but basically I agree. 

Except that I hope that Obama in time will provide greater civil rights for gays. One must remember that Clinton said he endorsed school prayer but appointed Judges who struck it down at every turn. 

Ultimately what happens with gay rights is a matter of court appointments not speeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My tone is different since I am quite fond of Obama, but basically I agree. </p>
<p>Except that I hope that Obama in time will provide greater civil rights for gays. One must remember that Clinton said he endorsed school prayer but appointed Judges who struck it down at every turn. </p>
<p>Ultimately what happens with gay rights is a matter of court appointments not speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Neely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, 

You can trace Obama&#039;s rightward shift from his Illinois days to the presidential election, one might say that its shrewd politics, and that his earlier stances are more akin to his real views. 

Obama is opposed the word marriage, but he supports marriage rights in civil unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, </p>
<p>You can trace Obama&#8217;s rightward shift from his Illinois days to the presidential election, one might say that its shrewd politics, and that his earlier stances are more akin to his real views. </p>
<p>Obama is opposed the word marriage, but he supports marriage rights in civil unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Neely</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/12/20/triangulation-ftl-right-wing-pastor-rick-warren-to-lead-invocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5758</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe,

Warren&#039;s book was one of the best selling books in the world for years. 

By your logic millions of people &quot;get what they deserve.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe,</p>
<p>Warren&#8217;s book was one of the best selling books in the world for years. </p>
<p>By your logic millions of people &#8220;get what they deserve.&#8221;</p>
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