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		<title>By: Apply science to colloquialisms &#124; All Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apply science to colloquialisms &#124; All Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] latest post got me thinking. Not about Stalin, communism or even atheism, but about the Annals of Improbable [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tauriq Moosa</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/11/04/stalin-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-2905</link>
		<dc:creator>Tauriq Moosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. We do need a critical approach to thinking and assessing our own ideologies, from which we can never escape. Perhaps by remaining critical, even of our own positions, this can be a firm foundation for secure thoughts. It is of course difficult to fathom stabilitiy out of something as vapid as the human mind, but I think &quot;constant self-criticism&quot; and in general critical thnking, can be good if everyone (those who agree and disagree with us) use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. We do need a critical approach to thinking and assessing our own ideologies, from which we can never escape. Perhaps by remaining critical, even of our own positions, this can be a firm foundation for secure thoughts. It is of course difficult to fathom stabilitiy out of something as vapid as the human mind, but I think &#8220;constant self-criticism&#8221; and in general critical thnking, can be good if everyone (those who agree and disagree with us) use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Natian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Natian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Ampy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.evolvedrational.com/2008/11/fundie-claim-18-stalin-stalin-stalin.html   Wtf !?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.evolvedrational.com/2008/11/fundie-claim-18-stalin-stalin-stalin.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.evolvedrational.com/2008/11/fundie-claim-18-stalin-stalin-stalin.html</a>   Wtf !?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/11/04/stalin-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-2877</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, atheism is not synonymous with communism and being an ideologue is the problem, but that doesn&#039;t mean we are in the clear. Any ideology, even something like humanism can be used to create atrocities.

As an example, I&#039;m pro-choice, but one could argue that the individualism and &#039;human&#039; centered ethics allow fetus&#039;s without any &#039;human status&#039; to be unceremoniously destroyed... even into the third trimester. Now I think the arguments for balancing the rights of a woman to control her body are strong, but many on the pro-choice side overstate their case, in a very scary way. And what I mean by this is that in order to defend their rights against anti-abortionists they become unwilling to even discuss the ethics of late term abortions, which are in a much greyer area of ethics.

A similar issue exists with both animal rights activists, some of whom are willing to commit acts of terrorism &#039;to save the animals&#039; and environmental activists who also sometimes put lives in danger (spiking trees for instance). Even civil rights and human rights have been used as excuses for violence. Are they using humanist ethics to support their actions?

All of this is not directly related to simple atheism, but if you are a humanist, then humanist ethics will be your guide and if we aren&#039;t self-critical and vigilant then someone like Stalin could co-opt and abuse the humanist ideology, much like Stalin did to Marxism.

The real question we should be asking is, what aspects of humanism may be prone to abuse... its our duty to make sure history does not repeat itself.... especially making sure its not us doing the repeating.

On this day of the American election, where its conceivable that someone like Sarah Palin could eventually become president.... ask yourself what you would be willing to do if abortion became illegal. What are you willing to do for your beliefs.... for your ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, atheism is not synonymous with communism and being an ideologue is the problem, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we are in the clear. Any ideology, even something like humanism can be used to create atrocities.</p>
<p>As an example, I&#8217;m pro-choice, but one could argue that the individualism and &#8216;human&#8217; centered ethics allow fetus&#8217;s without any &#8216;human status&#8217; to be unceremoniously destroyed&#8230; even into the third trimester. Now I think the arguments for balancing the rights of a woman to control her body are strong, but many on the pro-choice side overstate their case, in a very scary way. And what I mean by this is that in order to defend their rights against anti-abortionists they become unwilling to even discuss the ethics of late term abortions, which are in a much greyer area of ethics.</p>
<p>A similar issue exists with both animal rights activists, some of whom are willing to commit acts of terrorism &#8216;to save the animals&#8217; and environmental activists who also sometimes put lives in danger (spiking trees for instance). Even civil rights and human rights have been used as excuses for violence. Are they using humanist ethics to support their actions?</p>
<p>All of this is not directly related to simple atheism, but if you are a humanist, then humanist ethics will be your guide and if we aren&#8217;t self-critical and vigilant then someone like Stalin could co-opt and abuse the humanist ideology, much like Stalin did to Marxism.</p>
<p>The real question we should be asking is, what aspects of humanism may be prone to abuse&#8230; its our duty to make sure history does not repeat itself&#8230;. especially making sure its not us doing the repeating.</p>
<p>On this day of the American election, where its conceivable that someone like Sarah Palin could eventually become president&#8230;. ask yourself what you would be willing to do if abortion became illegal. What are you willing to do for your beliefs&#8230;. for your ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a very in-depth article on the atheism=communism &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.makingmyway.org/?p=36&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;canard&lt;/a&gt; about a month ago.  No theist has been able to rebuff it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a very in-depth article on the atheism=communism <a href="http://www.makingmyway.org/?p=36" rel="nofollow">canard</a> about a month ago.  No theist has been able to rebuff it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Handley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read any Paul Kurtz (probably the father of modern humanism) you&#039;ll see that Humanism is not speciesest.  That is, if you take it that Kurtz&#039; writings are representative of Humanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read any Paul Kurtz (probably the father of modern humanism) you&#8217;ll see that Humanism is not speciesest.  That is, if you take it that Kurtz&#8217; writings are representative of Humanism.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point about atheists who reject humanism. When I first learned about humanism I fell into the category of finding it &quot;speciesist&quot; but I think that comes from a large misunderstanding. I don&#039;t think humanism is meant to be a belief that humans are superior or somehow deserve to be treated with unconditional reverence. I see it as a philosophy that calls for all decisions to be made based on reason, compassion, and understanding, rather than dogmatism.

Also: THANKS A BUNCH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point about atheists who reject humanism. When I first learned about humanism I fell into the category of finding it &#8220;speciesist&#8221; but I think that comes from a large misunderstanding. I don&#8217;t think humanism is meant to be a belief that humans are superior or somehow deserve to be treated with unconditional reverence. I see it as a philosophy that calls for all decisions to be made based on reason, compassion, and understanding, rather than dogmatism.</p>
<p>Also: THANKS A BUNCH.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Apply science to colloquialisms &#124; Edger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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