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		<title>By: Katlyin Friz</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/16/does-faith-healing-really-work/comment-page-1/#comment-17871</link>
		<dc:creator>Katlyin Friz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is real</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is real</p>
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		<title>By: PhillyChief</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/16/does-faith-healing-really-work/comment-page-1/#comment-11642</link>
		<dc:creator>PhillyChief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cm,

Which conclusions are you talking about? Shalini didn&#039;t give any but one, that there are no miracles to account for.

In each case, your paraphrasings of Shalini&#039;s arguments are made instead from straw and not from any argument of Shalini in this post.

Bad reading comprehension leads to wrong ideas about what you read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cm,</p>
<p>Which conclusions are you talking about? Shalini didn&#8217;t give any but one, that there are no miracles to account for.</p>
<p>In each case, your paraphrasings of Shalini&#8217;s arguments are made instead from straw and not from any argument of Shalini in this post.</p>
<p>Bad reading comprehension leads to wrong ideas about what you read.</p>
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		<title>By: FAITH</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/16/does-faith-healing-really-work/comment-page-1/#comment-4271</link>
		<dc:creator>FAITH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FAITH IS FAITH&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;SOME HAVE IT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;SOME DON&#039;T&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;IN THE END&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;THOSE THAT HAVE IT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;WILL BE HAPPY&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;NO DELUSIONS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;NO EXPLANATIONS NEED BE GIVEN&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;FAITH IS FAITH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FAITH IS FAITH&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;SOME HAVE IT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;SOME DON&#8217;T&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;IN THE END&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;THOSE THAT HAVE IT&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;WILL BE HAPPY&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;NO DELUSIONS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;NO EXPLANATIONS NEED BE GIVEN&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;FAITH IS FAITH.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/16/does-faith-healing-really-work/comment-page-1/#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalini,

Just a note about your conclusions from this piece.  

Your accounting for supposed faith healings (fraud, mistaken diagnoses...you list nine) may very well be all true.  It seems to be true that God hasn&#039;t healed amputees with any regularity.  That is all fine and dandy.

BUT, you use these points to support the conclusion that God is imaginary.  Unfortunately for you, your conclusion is unsupported by your premisses.  Your logic seems to go like this:

1. Some people who think they are healed instead have gone into spontaneous remission.
2.  Therefore God does not exist.

or...

1. Some people fraudulently call themselves faith healers.
2. Therefore God is imaginary.

or...

1.  I have never experienced God healing an amputee.
2.  Therefore God does not exist.

In each case, your conclusion is totally unrelated to your premiss.  Even if your premiss and conclusion are both true, the conclusion is unrelated and therefore unsupported by those premisses.

Bad philosophy leads to wrong ideas about the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalini,</p>
<p>Just a note about your conclusions from this piece.  </p>
<p>Your accounting for supposed faith healings (fraud, mistaken diagnoses&#8230;you list nine) may very well be all true.  It seems to be true that God hasn&#8217;t healed amputees with any regularity.  That is all fine and dandy.</p>
<p>BUT, you use these points to support the conclusion that God is imaginary.  Unfortunately for you, your conclusion is unsupported by your premisses.  Your logic seems to go like this:</p>
<p>1. Some people who think they are healed instead have gone into spontaneous remission.<br />
2.  Therefore God does not exist.</p>
<p>or&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Some people fraudulently call themselves faith healers.<br />
2. Therefore God is imaginary.</p>
<p>or&#8230;</p>
<p>1.  I have never experienced God healing an amputee.<br />
2.  Therefore God does not exist.</p>
<p>In each case, your conclusion is totally unrelated to your premiss.  Even if your premiss and conclusion are both true, the conclusion is unrelated and therefore unsupported by those premisses.</p>
<p>Bad philosophy leads to wrong ideas about the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/16/does-faith-healing-really-work/comment-page-1/#comment-2188</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This faith healing works ;(.  Alcoholics Anonymous is a religion where the core focus is faith healing, and many claim it works.  When you look at AA, there is so much garbage psychology, philosophy, and theism, yet at it&#039;s basic core is &quot;find god and he will remove your obsession to drink&quot; (forever as long as you go to meetings!).   Now the claim that this form of faith healing works is of course with tongue in cheek, since there is now sufficient knowledge that AA doesn&#039;t work (www.orange-papers.org, www.morerevealed.com).    Yet all 12 Step programs have this core principle, and remain the most prominent &quot;recovery&quot; program in use today even within the medical industry.   Wow, faith healing isn&#039;t just some underground phenomenon, it is all over the USA through AA and other 12 Step programs.  Now this is a part of our culture / medicine that needs change badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This faith healing works ;(.  Alcoholics Anonymous is a religion where the core focus is faith healing, and many claim it works.  When you look at AA, there is so much garbage psychology, philosophy, and theism, yet at it&#8217;s basic core is &#8220;find god and he will remove your obsession to drink&#8221; (forever as long as you go to meetings!).   Now the claim that this form of faith healing works is of course with tongue in cheek, since there is now sufficient knowledge that AA doesn&#8217;t work (www.orange-papers.org, <a href="http://www.morerevealed.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.morerevealed.com</a>).    Yet all 12 Step programs have this core principle, and remain the most prominent &#8220;recovery&#8221; program in use today even within the medical industry.   Wow, faith healing isn&#8217;t just some underground phenomenon, it is all over the USA through AA and other 12 Step programs.  Now this is a part of our culture / medicine that needs change badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Skepdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skepdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does faith healing really work?

The evidence up to this point very strongly suggests it doesn&#039;t! We can obviously never say that faith healing does not work period. Nevertheless, we must go where the evidence, and logic, leads us and both lead to the conclusion that very likely it is bogus.

On the other hand, I would be the very first one that would welcome evidence of God&#039;s existence and that prayer heals. Can you imagine how easy life would become? I guess that&#039;s the sort of comfort that the religious folks get out of it. 

Nice work Shalini, very well written indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does faith healing really work?</p>
<p>The evidence up to this point very strongly suggests it doesn&#8217;t! We can obviously never say that faith healing does not work period. Nevertheless, we must go where the evidence, and logic, leads us and both lead to the conclusion that very likely it is bogus.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I would be the very first one that would welcome evidence of God&#8217;s existence and that prayer heals. Can you imagine how easy life would become? I guess that&#8217;s the sort of comfort that the religious folks get out of it. </p>
<p>Nice work Shalini, very well written indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Tauriq Moosa</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/16/does-faith-healing-really-work/comment-page-1/#comment-2167</link>
		<dc:creator>Tauriq Moosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. To paraphrase my friend Johann Hari, I respect people too much as human beings to let them indulge in delusions - which could ultimately hurt them. We are dealing with this in South Africa at the moment and so far, losing. (People are dying from drinking detergents as advised from traditional healers, instead of consulting doctors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. To paraphrase my friend Johann Hari, I respect people too much as human beings to let them indulge in delusions &#8211; which could ultimately hurt them. We are dealing with this in South Africa at the moment and so far, losing. (People are dying from drinking detergents as advised from traditional healers, instead of consulting doctors).</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Quill &#187; Does faith healing really work?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Quill &#187; Does faith healing really work?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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