Comments on: In Defense of ‘Militant’ Atheism, Part #2 http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/ Science. Humanism. Atheism. Politics. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:46:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: Reason’s Last Stand - A Final Defence of ‘Militant’ Atheism | Edger http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2158 Reason’s Last Stand - A Final Defence of ‘Militant’ Atheism | Edger Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:35:57 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-2158 [...] This is the final part in a trilogy of defences for so-called ‘militant atheism’ - you can find the previous two articles, here and here. [...] [...] This is the final part in a trilogy of defences for so-called ‘militant atheism’ – you can find the previous two articles, here and here. [...]

]]> By: Where’s the “Spiritual” in Atheism? | Edger http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2042 Where’s the “Spiritual” in Atheism? | Edger Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:50:42 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-2042 [...] me begin by observing: What a stupid question to ask. In my subsequent and continuing re-appraisals of the consciousness-raising polemics against organised religion, I’ve been [...] [...] me begin by observing: What a stupid question to ask. In my subsequent and continuing re-appraisals of the consciousness-raising polemics against organised religion, I’ve been [...]

]]> By: Rodrigo Neely http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1895 Rodrigo Neely Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:37:23 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1895 I've been known to say that Islam could have been another sect of Christianity if early Christians had played it a little smarter. I’ve been known to say that Islam could have been another sect of Christianity if early Christians had played it a little smarter.

]]> By: Barry Greenstein http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1888 Barry Greenstein Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:03:23 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1888 True, but of course their rationale was that politics corrupted religion. Our rationale is exactly the opposite. True, but of course their rationale was that politics corrupted religion. Our rationale is exactly the opposite.

]]> By: Barry Greenstein http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1887 Barry Greenstein Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:59:10 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1887 Ironically there are many who would argue that Islam started as reform movement (despite its military history). Ironically there are many who would argue that Islam started as reform movement (despite its military history).

]]> By: Rodrigo Neely http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 Rodrigo Neely Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:37:47 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1884 I think part of my beef with Islam (in addition to its fondness for violence) is because it seems to be relatively reform-proof. If Irshad Manji's theology, or Amina Wadud's won out, I would have no problem with Islam, but so much of it seems to be deeply entrenched. Even the stuff about women, I bet there are Hadiths that claim Muhammad wanted it that way. Even if the Q'ran does not. Not that the Q'ran is so egalitarian, maybe it doesn't prescribe hijabs but it does prescribe the appropriate way to beat your wife. *sigh I think part of my beef with Islam (in addition to its fondness for violence) is because it seems to be relatively reform-proof.

If Irshad Manji’s theology, or Amina Wadud’s won out, I would have no problem with Islam, but so much of it seems to be deeply entrenched.

Even the stuff about women, I bet there are Hadiths that claim Muhammad wanted it that way. Even if the Q’ran does not. Not that the Q’ran is so egalitarian, maybe it doesn’t prescribe hijabs but it does prescribe the appropriate way to beat your wife.

*sigh

]]> By: Tauriq Moosa http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1883 Tauriq Moosa Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:13:51 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1883 But I did not say ONE thing, surely you read my post where I said it is never one thing. The major question is "how is absolutist belief in a celestial being helping?" HELPING is the word. But I did not say ONE thing, surely you read my post where I said it is never one thing. The major question is “how is absolutist belief in a celestial being helping?” HELPING is the word.

]]> By: Tauriq Moosa http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1881 Tauriq Moosa Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:11:46 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1881 In neuropsychology it is much the same (hooray for small moments of unification across the academic spheres!). The world-views and assessments of Fundies is quite alarming, when dealing with the mundane to the macroscopic. The amount of Muslim men for example who demand their wives wear niqabs (you know about these, with the ninja-slits) is alarming - not solely for what they demand but their justification. (Most know that this whole Tomfoolery around the issues of women in Islam is a misunderstanding of what occurred during Muhammad's time and his treatment of women, who from fairly reliable sources like Karen Armstrong and Reza Aslan, he treated quite well and on equal terms. Though that says nothing about what happens now!) I'm critical and outspoken as most of us are here, for the simple reason that we need evidence, reason and a profound sense of identification with HUMANS. We need to promote respect. This is a difficult position, considering I've blatantly said I'm intolerant about a number of things. Nonetheless, your point is well-spotted and neatly targetted. (apologies for the slight waffle-talk after my carefully constructed piece above ;) In neuropsychology it is much the same (hooray for small moments of unification across the academic spheres!). The world-views and assessments of Fundies is quite alarming, when dealing with the mundane to the macroscopic. The amount of Muslim men for example who demand their wives wear niqabs (you know about these, with the ninja-slits) is alarming – not solely for what they demand but their justification. (Most know that this whole Tomfoolery around the issues of women in Islam is a misunderstanding of what occurred during Muhammad’s time and his treatment of women, who from fairly reliable sources like Karen Armstrong and Reza Aslan, he treated quite well and on equal terms. Though that says nothing about what happens now!)

I’m critical and outspoken as most of us are here, for the simple reason that we need evidence, reason and a profound sense of identification with HUMANS. We need to promote respect. This is a difficult position, considering I’ve blatantly said I’m intolerant about a number of things. Nonetheless, your point is well-spotted and neatly targetted. (apologies for the slight waffle-talk after my carefully constructed piece above ;)

]]> By: Tauriq Moosa http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1872 Tauriq Moosa Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:37:32 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1872 Touche, Robin. I feel stupid for denying the obvious ;) (no he's a goblin, probably a Hobgoblin! that nose!) hehe Touche, Robin. I feel stupid for denying the obvious ;) (no he’s a goblin, probably a Hobgoblin! that nose!) hehe

]]> By: News From Around The Blogosphere 10.6.08 « Skepacabra http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 News From Around The Blogosphere 10.6.08 « Skepacabra Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:54:16 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=1668#comment-1869 [...] In Defense of ‘Militant’ Atheism part 2 [...] [...] In Defense of ‘Militant’ Atheism part 2 [...]

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