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	<title>Comments on: In Defense of &#8216;Militant&#8217; Atheism, Part #1</title>
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		<title>By: Where’s the “Spiritual” in Atheism? &#124; All Reason</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>Where’s the “Spiritual” in Atheism? &#124; All Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me begin by observing: What a stupid question to ask. In my subsequent and continuing re-appraisals of the consciousness-raising polemics against organised religion, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reason’s Last Stand - A Final Defence of ‘Militant’ Atheism &#124; All Reason</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2192</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason’s Last Stand - A Final Defence of ‘Militant’ Atheism &#124; All Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of defences for so-called &#8216;militant atheism&#8217; - you can find the previous two articles, here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reason&#8217;s Last Stand - A Final Defence of &#8216;Militant&#8217; Atheism &#124; Edger</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2149</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason&#8217;s Last Stand - A Final Defence of &#8216;Militant&#8217; Atheism &#124; Edger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of defences for so-called &#8216;militant atheism&#8217; - you can find the previous two articles, here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Where&#8217;s the &#8220;Spiritual&#8221; in Atheism? &#124; Edger</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>Where&#8217;s the &#8220;Spiritual&#8221; in Atheism? &#124; Edger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me begin by observing: What a stupid question to ask. In my subsequent and continuing re-appraisals of the consciousness-raising polemics against organised religion, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robin Zhang</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Zhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well for example I just pissed away 5 hours of time playing EvE Online when I could have been doing homework. You could probably name 10 events in any person&#039;s day when s/he has done something that is to their detriment when they could have been doing something else more beneficial. So yes, everyone is wildly irrational, but on differing levels and in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well for example I just pissed away 5 hours of time playing EvE Online when I could have been doing homework. You could probably name 10 events in any person&#8217;s day when s/he has done something that is to their detriment when they could have been doing something else more beneficial. So yes, everyone is wildly irrational, but on differing levels and in different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Neely</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1812</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tauriq,

Well said!</description>
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<p>Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Tauriq Moosa</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1805</link>
		<dc:creator>Tauriq Moosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Inherently irrational&quot; - I would ask you to clarify this. I would also ask that you allow me time for the entire article to arise because of space, I am unable to produce it all. In fact, the second part was taken off (! - dammit :() - but thank you for your comment. In the midst of the forthcoming parts of the article, I hope that your question will be dealt with. If not, I will answer it then. I am not shoving you off, I am simply asking you to be patient as Tyler... I mean Time allows ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Inherently irrational&#8221; &#8211; I would ask you to clarify this. I would also ask that you allow me time for the entire article to arise because of space, I am unable to produce it all. In fact, the second part was taken off (! &#8211; dammit <img src='http://factonista.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> ) &#8211; but thank you for your comment. In the midst of the forthcoming parts of the article, I hope that your question will be dealt with. If not, I will answer it then. I am not shoving you off, I am simply asking you to be patient as Tyler&#8230; I mean Time allows <img src='http://factonista.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robin Zhang</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1787</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Zhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one fallacy in your argument is that people are inherently irrational and aren&#039;t automatically prone to accepting secular humanism; furthermore, on the one hand you are saying that &quot;I am not trying to win hearts here&quot; and on the other your goal is to convert everyone to secular humanism - how exactly does that work if you&#039;re not using physical force (which people can defer to)? What I&#039;m trying to get at - and I know a lot of people will disagree with me - is what you hope to achieve; personally I&#039;m of the persuasion that anyone can believe anything they want as long as they don&#039;t try to impose that belief on the rest of society. Also, the demographics are such that working automatically against all persons of faith would be fruitless.

To put this in another perspective, Barack Obama isn&#039;t going to be president because he&#039;s a stereotypical &#039;angry black man&#039;. It would be great if we had an African-American president who could redress all the atrocities committed against African-Americans, but the facts on the ground are that Obama will never talk about police brutality, inner city violence, latent racism, or anything else that appeals especially to the African-American community unless it also appeals to the electorate as a whole. I would expect the very same thing for a high-level Latino politician or Muslim politician.

If atheists are going to make inroads in politics and society, it too - like it or not - will have to be with an inoffensive IDGAF consensus-builder who constantly points out how s/he works closely with Christians and soft-pedals on issues that matter specifically to other atheists. 

That, or some sort of &#039;game-changer&#039; like fundamentalist Christian terror bombings occur all throughout the country that would drive people away from said faith or all the atheists migrating to Vermont, but I just don&#039;t see that happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one fallacy in your argument is that people are inherently irrational and aren&#8217;t automatically prone to accepting secular humanism; furthermore, on the one hand you are saying that &#8220;I am not trying to win hearts here&#8221; and on the other your goal is to convert everyone to secular humanism &#8211; how exactly does that work if you&#8217;re not using physical force (which people can defer to)? What I&#8217;m trying to get at &#8211; and I know a lot of people will disagree with me &#8211; is what you hope to achieve; personally I&#8217;m of the persuasion that anyone can believe anything they want as long as they don&#8217;t try to impose that belief on the rest of society. Also, the demographics are such that working automatically against all persons of faith would be fruitless.</p>
<p>To put this in another perspective, Barack Obama isn&#8217;t going to be president because he&#8217;s a stereotypical &#8216;angry black man&#8217;. It would be great if we had an African-American president who could redress all the atrocities committed against African-Americans, but the facts on the ground are that Obama will never talk about police brutality, inner city violence, latent racism, or anything else that appeals especially to the African-American community unless it also appeals to the electorate as a whole. I would expect the very same thing for a high-level Latino politician or Muslim politician.</p>
<p>If atheists are going to make inroads in politics and society, it too &#8211; like it or not &#8211; will have to be with an inoffensive IDGAF consensus-builder who constantly points out how s/he works closely with Christians and soft-pedals on issues that matter specifically to other atheists. </p>
<p>That, or some sort of &#8216;game-changer&#8217; like fundamentalist Christian terror bombings occur all throughout the country that would drive people away from said faith or all the atheists migrating to Vermont, but I just don&#8217;t see that happening.</p>
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		<title>By: News From Around The Blogosphere 10.4.08 &#171; Skepacabra</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/10/04/in-defence-of-militant-atheism-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>News From Around The Blogosphere 10.4.08 &#171; Skepacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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