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	<title>Comments on: Did Neanderthals Pray? &#8211; Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: VooDoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>VooDoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^</description>
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		<title>By: VooDoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>VooDoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are still alive! Im haff human haf neanderthal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are still alive! Im haff human haf neanderthal!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Greenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Greenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;--- Not a full-on promotion for the multiregional hypothesis there, but we can&#039;t rule out the possiblity of gene flow just because we find the idea of sex with neanderthals icky... LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;&#8212; Not a full-on promotion for the multiregional hypothesis there, but we can&#8217;t rule out the possiblity of gene flow just because we find the idea of sex with neanderthals icky&#8230; LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Greenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Greenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can write off the following as &quot;watershed traits&quot;:

Self Recognition, Mirror Test (Chimps and other Great Apes are not particularly spiritual)

Material culture (evident in animals other than human beings, such as the aforementioned Great Apes, who do not display what we might consider religion)

Possible avenue of exploration: burial of the dead (evident in elephants, neanderthals, and other later hominins in the lineage eventually leading to Homo sapiens).

If we assume that the common ancestor of Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis had something we might recognize as religion (and technically there is no reason to assume this), than we establish a lower limit of 800,000 years ago (around the beginning of the speciation event between the lines leading to sapiens and neanderthals). This also assumes no interbreeding between phenotypically and/or culturally distinct populations which are arguably different species or subspecies (taking into account the arbitrary nature of taxonomy and thus cladistics). That&#039;s a lot to assume, after all, neanderthals and sapiens could have developed religious tendencies without having a common ancestor. Language for all we know could have evolved twice. Reversals in evolution are rare, but parallel and convergent evolution are not.  Also, there was probably gene flow between certain populations of extinct and ancestral hominids such and sapiens and neanderthals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can write off the following as &#8220;watershed traits&#8221;:</p>
<p>Self Recognition, Mirror Test (Chimps and other Great Apes are not particularly spiritual)</p>
<p>Material culture (evident in animals other than human beings, such as the aforementioned Great Apes, who do not display what we might consider religion)</p>
<p>Possible avenue of exploration: burial of the dead (evident in elephants, neanderthals, and other later hominins in the lineage eventually leading to Homo sapiens).</p>
<p>If we assume that the common ancestor of Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis had something we might recognize as religion (and technically there is no reason to assume this), than we establish a lower limit of 800,000 years ago (around the beginning of the speciation event between the lines leading to sapiens and neanderthals). This also assumes no interbreeding between phenotypically and/or culturally distinct populations which are arguably different species or subspecies (taking into account the arbitrary nature of taxonomy and thus cladistics). That&#8217;s a lot to assume, after all, neanderthals and sapiens could have developed religious tendencies without having a common ancestor. Language for all we know could have evolved twice. Reversals in evolution are rare, but parallel and convergent evolution are not.  Also, there was probably gene flow between certain populations of extinct and ancestral hominids such and sapiens and neanderthals.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Bhatnagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhishek Bhatnagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol! It&#039;s a reconstruction of a neanderthal child. I took the picture from wiki commons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol! It&#8217;s a reconstruction of a neanderthal child. I took the picture from wiki commons.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/09/24/did-neanderthals-pray-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1463</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Neandertals didn&#039;t all die off. They just moved to Ireland? Explains alot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Neandertals didn&#8217;t all die off. They just moved to Ireland? Explains alot.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Natian</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/09/24/did-neanderthals-pray-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Natian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had to have the most disturbing featured pic now, did you? Haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had to have the most disturbing featured pic now, did you? Haha.</p>
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		<title>By: News From Around The Blogosphere 9.23.08 &#171; Skepacabra</title>
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		<dc:creator>News From Around The Blogosphere 9.23.08 &#171; Skepacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Did Neanderthals Pray? - Part 1 &#124; Edger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Did Neanderthals Pray? - Part 1 &#124; Edger</dc:creator>
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