Comments on: “Prosperity gospel” preacher-”IRS investigation of my church is ‘politically motivated’” http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/ Science. Humanism. Atheism. Politics. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:06:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: Jasmine http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-15142 Jasmine Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:31:57 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-15142 Followers of the prosperity gospel are believing in the anti-christ. They are frauds. Followers of the prosperity gospel are believing in the anti-christ.

They are frauds.

]]> By: kay http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1465 kay Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:55:11 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1465 I know a mega pastor who went into the buisness of preaching because he was a stockbroker and found ministry to be more profitable then assest management. In church ministry, the irs does not follow up on how much personal income you acquire. The world will always have decieved christians because most people who claim to follow christ ,if they really thought about it,are follwing a man who tells them what to think about Christ.Get ALONE with CHRIST and then you can see HIM. He is free and does not ask you to buy your pastor a jet. At least my Christ doesn't...I'll follow HIM! Kay I know a mega pastor who went into the buisness of preaching because he was a stockbroker and found ministry to be more profitable then assest management. In church ministry, the irs does not follow up on how much personal income you acquire. The world will always have decieved christians because most people who claim to follow christ ,if they really thought about it,are follwing a man who tells them what to think about Christ.Get ALONE with CHRIST and then you can see HIM. He is free and does not ask you to buy your pastor a jet. At least my Christ doesn’t…I’ll follow HIM!
Kay

]]> By: Chris Ray http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1148 Chris Ray Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:11:26 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1148 Is that like how 'pagan' comes from the KJV the old fashioned way, too? ;) Is that like how ‘pagan’ comes from the KJV the old fashioned way, too? ;)

]]> By: Chris Ray http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1147 Chris Ray Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:11:04 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1147 So wait, is "pagan" in there or not? if it isn't, why did you say that it's Gods term for nonbelievers, and why did I know more about your holy book than you? So wait, is “pagan” in there or not? if it isn’t, why did you say that it’s Gods term for nonbelievers, and why did I know more about your holy book than you?

]]> By: Jan http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1142 Jan Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:05:14 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1142 God is very clear on His will for us: Deut. 8:18 - Remember the Lord your God, for it is He Who gives you the power to get wealth... Psalm 35:27 - Let the Lord be magnified, Who takes pleasure in the prosperity of His servant.. I cannot find one Scripture where God says He wants those Who love and obey Him to live in poverty. Deut. 30:19-20 - I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; oh, that you would choose life!....love the Lord your God, obey His voice, cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days. God always wants the very best for us! Every law He ever set down was because of His love. If we obeyed the laws, life and blessings would come. That's all He ever wants for us. Why would He want anything less for His children? I assume you want the very best for your children, if you are a Daddy...I know I do for my kids and grandchild. I want them to make right choices so that good things will come their way. I raised them, disciplined them, and loved on them so that when they grew up and became responsible for their choices, they would make good ones and sow good seed, so they would reap the benefits of doing so. Father God is the same way. The Bible is our training and discipline. We experience a one-on-one relationship full of love and trust with Him everyday. I am learning to make better choices and think more of others than myself and sow into peoples' lives as I do study His Word and talk with Him. I think, in fact I know, Chris, if you would ask Him to open that Bible to you, to speak to your heart - for I hear so much anger in your words, and you use the Scriptures as a weapon, instead of as a guide to life - let the words minister to you, touch you. You are hearing from all of these people who have been changed by those words. I pray you will let them change you, too. God is very clear on His will for us:

Deut. 8:18 – Remember the Lord your God, for it is He Who gives you the power to get wealth…

Psalm 35:27 – Let the Lord be magnified, Who takes pleasure in the prosperity of His servant..

I cannot find one Scripture where God says He wants those Who love and obey Him to live in poverty.

Deut. 30:19-20 – I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse; oh, that you would choose life!….love the Lord your God, obey His voice, cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days.

God always wants the very best for us! Every law He ever set down was because of His love. If we obeyed the laws, life and blessings would come. That’s all He ever wants for us. Why would He want anything less for His children?

I assume you want the very best for your children, if you are a Daddy…I know I do for my kids and grandchild. I want them to make right choices so that good things will come their way. I raised them, disciplined them, and loved on them so that when they grew up and became responsible for their choices, they would make good ones and sow good seed, so they would reap the benefits of doing so.

Father God is the same way. The Bible is our training and discipline. We experience a
one-on-one relationship full of love and trust with Him everyday. I am learning to make better choices and think more of others than myself and sow into peoples’ lives as I do
study His Word and talk with Him.

I think, in fact I know, Chris, if you would ask Him to open that Bible to you, to speak to your heart – for I hear so much anger in your words, and you use the Scriptures as a weapon, instead of as a guide to life – let the words minister to you, touch you.

You are hearing from all of these people who have been changed by those words. I pray you will let them change you, too.

]]> By: Spike http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1023 Spike Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:34:46 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1023 The last two posts, #39 and 40, are what I owuld hope for fromreasoanble people who disagree. Thanks! <blockquote>If you’re arguing with someone that doesn’t believe it when they see or hear it, you are wasting your time, and YOU then are in the wrong.</blockquote> Cuts both ways! Meaning: <i>Whenever</i> we find ourselves arguing with those who make it clear that they have dug in regarding their position, we really out to just say, "Have a nice day!" So, to this thread I say, "Have a nice day!" The last two posts, #39 and 40, are what I owuld hope for fromreasoanble people who disagree. Thanks!

If you’re arguing with someone that doesn’t believe it when they see or hear it, you are wasting your time, and YOU then are in the wrong.

Cuts both ways! Meaning: Whenever we find ourselves arguing with those who make it clear that they have dug in regarding their position, we really out to just say, “Have a nice day!”

So, to this thread I say, “Have a nice day!”

]]> By: T. W. http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1021 T. W. Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:26:58 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1021 I'm surprised how long this blog is. Seriously. If anyone wants to actually check, the good Senator is suppossed to go through the IRS to get his info. I assume that no one will check prior to responding to this, but it is documented within several places that the MegaChurches initially in question, volunteered to audits from the IRS, as they are suppossed to. Several had just finished, and passed with flying colors, audits already done by the IRS (the one's in question go through an IRS, financial, and business audit every year) Since all pass every year, it does bring up a questioning eye towards the politicians in question, and not the defendants, as to why these things were brought up, unless to ignite some social issues. Remember people, we can all be moved socially, by things we see or hear. Since the investigations were put on hold, after the MegaChurches offered themselves up to fresh audits conducted by the IRS, it again raises the question of political motivation. If only specific churches were targeted, and then those investigations were put on pause by the legal issues in question, why then were others targeted after the fact? As far as prosperity in the bible... Deut 8 - It is God who gives the power to get wealth. Gen 32:9 - do this and I will make you prosper. Gen 39:2 - The Lord was with him and he prospered. Deut 28 - shows you'll be blessed beyond some peoples ability to believe it, and you can be cursed beyond the prideful person's ability to accept it - but it still happens If you're arguing with someone that doesn't believe it when they see or hear it, you are wasting your time, and YOU then are in the wrong. Father, as Christians, we ask for forgiveness for allowing our focus to settle where it should not. We pray for those that have not come to you, and thank you for those who have. We give you praise for all revelation that brings us correction, and thank you for the strength to walk as you see fit - not by our will, but yours. Praise God forever. Amen. I’m surprised how long this blog is.
Seriously.
If anyone wants to actually check, the good Senator is suppossed to go through the IRS to get his info. I assume that no one will check prior to responding to this, but it is documented within several places that the MegaChurches initially in question, volunteered to audits from the IRS, as they are suppossed to. Several had just finished, and passed with flying colors, audits already done by the IRS (the one’s in question go through an IRS, financial, and business audit every year) Since all pass every year, it does bring up a questioning eye towards the politicians in question, and not the defendants, as to why these things were brought up, unless to ignite some social issues.
Remember people, we can all be moved socially, by things we see or hear.
Since the investigations were put on hold, after the MegaChurches offered themselves up to fresh audits conducted by the IRS, it again raises the question of political motivation.
If only specific churches were targeted, and then those investigations were put on pause by the legal issues in question, why then were others targeted after the fact?

As far as prosperity in the bible…
Deut 8 – It is God who gives the power to get wealth.
Gen 32:9 – do this and I will make you prosper.
Gen 39:2 – The Lord was with him and he prospered.
Deut 28 – shows you’ll be blessed beyond some peoples ability to believe it, and you can be cursed beyond the prideful person’s ability to accept it – but it still happens

If you’re arguing with someone that doesn’t believe it when they see or hear it, you are wasting your time, and YOU then are in the wrong.

Father, as Christians, we ask for forgiveness for allowing our focus to settle where it should not. We pray for those that have not come to you, and thank you for those who have.
We give you praise for all revelation that brings us correction, and thank you for the strength to walk as you see fit – not by our will, but yours.
Praise God forever.
Amen.

]]> By: Marilyn http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-1020 Marilyn Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:40:03 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-1020 WHOO!!!!!!!! for the constitution of this great country where you can have the right to express anything you want with out regard for anyone else. There has been so much controversy on what you consider a "Mega" church yet the one church that boasts of having the largest membership is not on the list of the head hunters. In case you didn't know which church I am talking about it is the Mormon church. I will agree that there are many versions of the Bible, all of which are man's interpretation of what they mean. So even if you can quote scripture it is still your interpretation which will be different from mine. Isn't that what this country is all about. The freedom to believe differently from everyone else and speak your mind without repercutions. Far be it for me to try and convert you. Whether you are a believer or not is really illrelavant. You have the right provided by the constitution to say whatever you would like to say. The great thing is I have the right t disagree. I want to thank the Senator for looking out for my interests but I resent the fact that he thinks I am stupid enough not to know where my money is going and who is spending it. Canhe Senator really tell me where my tax dollars are being spent? and how much of the money I donate to the government is going for charity? or sorry I forgot those who are on welfare are charity. I think he had better look in his own back yard before he comes and tells me what is wrong with mine. P.S. JOHN 16:33 WHOO!!!!!!!! for the constitution of this great country where you can have the right to express anything you want with out regard for anyone else. There has been so much controversy on what you consider a “Mega” church yet the one church that boasts of having the largest membership is not on the list of the head hunters. In case you didn’t know which church I am talking about it is the Mormon church.
I will agree that there are many versions of the Bible, all of which are man’s interpretation of what they mean. So even if you can quote scripture it is still your interpretation which will be different from mine. Isn’t that what this country is all about. The freedom to believe differently from everyone else and speak your mind without repercutions. Far be it for me to try and convert you.

Whether you are a believer or not is really illrelavant. You have the right provided by the constitution to say whatever you would like to say. The great thing is I have the right t disagree. I want to thank the Senator for looking out for my interests but I resent the fact that he thinks I am stupid enough not to know where my money is going and who is spending it. Canhe Senator really tell me where my tax dollars are being spent? and how much of the money I donate to the government is going for charity? or sorry I forgot those who are on welfare are charity.
I think he had better look in his own back yard before he comes and tells me what is wrong with mine.
P.S. JOHN 16:33

]]> By: Kenneth E. Crider http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-983 Kenneth E. Crider Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:50:20 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-983 First of all GOD is LOVE AGAPE, Covenant. He Love gave His only SON,LOVE Jesus who is the Christ the anointed ONE. One meaning total agreement, exactly the same. one agree's with the other. He came to the earth to destroy the work of the devil who destroyed the covenant between GOD and man through deception Isha eve and disobedience Ish adam to gain authority over the earth to become the god of the world,[people ]. JESUS walked and lived fulfilling the law of the old covenant with breaking it and then by faith took the law of sin and death upon himself died seperated from LOVE went to hell DESTROYED death took the keys away from the devil Athurorty was raised from the dead by LOVE GLORY! in order to take back what adam and eve gave to the devil. Whoever will call upon the LORD will be redeemed from death delivered from darkness and translated into the Kingdom of GOD Eternal Life. Those who choose not to believe and receive that sacrifice COVENANT of LOVE will self destruct go to hell. Its the responsibility of LOVE to PRAY LISTEN and OBEY. I speak for myself first. WE are to be lead by LOVE in our decisions. The blind will lead the blind. LOVE never fails LOVE walks in the Mist of a crowd with being seen or heard. It will capture those who respond.those who oppose will self destruct. We do not wrestle with flesh reasoning debate opinion. LOVE Prays destroys the blindness and opens the eyes for those who will receive LOVE. This is not a lack of what we should be doing,But rather a lot of knowing who has already done it. I have a situation that I have allowed to pull on me to long . Please agree with the word with me as I fix my Heart trusting and Obeying what LOVE has told me to do. TOO be strong in the Lord. and the POWER of HIS MIGHT not my own reasoning. LOVE Kenny Crider. First of all GOD is LOVE AGAPE, Covenant. He Love gave His only SON,LOVE Jesus who is the Christ the anointed ONE. One meaning total agreement, exactly the same. one agree’s with the other. He came to the earth to destroy the work of the devil who destroyed the covenant between GOD and man through deception Isha eve and disobedience Ish adam to gain authority over the earth to become the god of the world,[people ]. JESUS walked and lived fulfilling the law of the old covenant with breaking it and then by faith took the law of sin and death upon himself died seperated from LOVE went to hell DESTROYED death took the keys away from the devil Athurorty was raised from the dead by LOVE GLORY! in order to take back what adam and eve gave to the devil. Whoever will call upon the LORD will be redeemed from death delivered from darkness and translated into the Kingdom of GOD Eternal Life. Those who choose not to believe and receive that sacrifice COVENANT of LOVE will self destruct go to hell. Its the responsibility of LOVE to PRAY LISTEN and OBEY. I speak for myself first. WE are to be lead by LOVE in our decisions. The blind will lead the blind. LOVE never fails LOVE walks in the Mist of a crowd with being seen or heard. It will capture those who respond.those who oppose will self destruct. We do not wrestle with flesh reasoning debate opinion. LOVE Prays destroys the blindness and opens the eyes for those who will receive LOVE. This is not a lack of what we should be doing,But rather a lot of knowing who has already done it. I have a situation that I have allowed to pull on me to long . Please agree with the word with me as I fix my Heart trusting and Obeying what LOVE has told me to do. TOO be strong in the Lord. and the POWER of HIS MIGHT not my own reasoning. LOVE Kenny Crider.

]]> By: Bruce Armstrong http://factonista.org/2008/08/30/prosperity-gospel-preacher-irs-investigation-into-my-church-is-politically-motivated/comment-page-1/#comment-976 Bruce Armstrong Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:54:05 +0000 http://theedger.org/?p=938#comment-976 Read the Bible and let it interpret itself! The message is clear that biblical prosperity is well documented and is one of the most written about areas in the Bible. Why, one should ask, would a loving and caring God not want the best for His people? What is so wonderful and enticing about poverty and lack? In addition, it is prosperity that is going to help these ministries take the message of hope and love and prosperity to a sick and dying world. Is the world going to bring this message? And, regarding poverty, check out the Bible; It has been with us from the beginning and Jesus told us that we would always have it. So, even if the church gave all of its money, after expenses, to the poor, you would still have the poor. Some people just won't work, or don't want to, or are too lazy or unmotivated to do anything about their own situation, but, would want our government or someone else to take care of them. The Bible states that he who doesn't work shouldn't even eat! I realize that there are situations that require assistance, but the greater percentage of them don't. And, answer this question. Has the government ever done anything better than private enterprise? Check out the post office, welfare, medicare, and others. It is very unfair to criticize these ministries for all they do and not criticize our own government for not doing their job better. Read the Bible and let it interpret itself! The message is clear that biblical prosperity is well documented and is one of the most written about areas in the Bible. Why, one should ask, would a loving and caring God not want the best for His people? What is so wonderful and enticing about poverty and lack? In addition, it is prosperity that is going to help these ministries take the message of hope and love and prosperity to a sick and dying world. Is the world going to bring this message? And, regarding poverty, check out the Bible; It has been with us from the beginning and Jesus told us that we would always have it. So, even if the church gave all of its money, after expenses, to the poor, you would still have the poor. Some people just won’t work, or don’t want to, or are too lazy or unmotivated to do anything about their own situation, but, would want our government or someone else to take care of them. The Bible states that he who doesn’t work shouldn’t even eat! I realize that there are situations that require assistance, but the greater percentage of them don’t. And, answer this question. Has the government ever done anything better than private enterprise? Check out the post office, welfare, medicare, and others. It is very unfair to criticize these ministries for all they do and not criticize our own government for not doing their job better.

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