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		<title>By: Recent Links Tagged With "neuroscience" - JabberTags</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-7644</link>
		<dc:creator>Recent Links Tagged With "neuroscience" - JabberTags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] public links &gt;&gt; neuroscience   Move Over Evolution Saved by Yoda808 on Fri 19-12-2008   Report: spies need to stay on top of neuroscience research [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roy Natian</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Natian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please.  Before you criticize evolution, know what it us. evolution makes no claims about how life started. Evolution only explains how we have so many different species. It explains the diversity of life. That is it. 

So what created the creator?
Did a father and a son get together one day and say &quot;hey, let us join up with a holy ghost&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  Before you criticize evolution, know what it us. evolution makes no claims about how life started. Evolution only explains how we have so many different species. It explains the diversity of life. That is it. </p>
<p>So what created the creator?<br />
Did a father and a son get together one day and say &#8220;hey, let us join up with a holy ghost&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what something... created the creator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what something&#8230; created the creator?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Knox</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the Evolutionists on board - Please explain the origin of the hydrogen atom - to put it another way, from whence came the primordial ooze so often used as the origin? 

In addition, whence came water? Probably two H atoms got together and started out to find one O atom because they wanted to create water. 

Attempts to &quot;create&quot; life in a test tube have not been successful. Stop and think of the origin of matter itself, never mind life. Seems to me that there must have been something created from nothing - impossible, except for the Creator.

Food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Evolutionists on board &#8211; Please explain the origin of the hydrogen atom &#8211; to put it another way, from whence came the primordial ooze so often used as the origin? </p>
<p>In addition, whence came water? Probably two H atoms got together and started out to find one O atom because they wanted to create water. </p>
<p>Attempts to &#8220;create&#8221; life in a test tube have not been successful. Stop and think of the origin of matter itself, never mind life. Seems to me that there must have been something created from nothing &#8211; impossible, except for the Creator.</p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Yojimbo</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Yojimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delusion is ultimately always harmful. To the individual, to society, to humanity. Our progress is directly linked to our rationality and reason.

Sure you can get warm fuzzy feelings that have no basis in reality, but what&#039;s the point in that? I would much rather work at the scientific discoveries that improve conditions in the real world.

You don&#039;t need to believe in Santa and unicorns and leprechauns to have happiness and brotherly love. A major part of the world&#039;s problems is various groups who love every brother that shares their delusion, but despises everyone who doesn&#039;t go along with their particular fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delusion is ultimately always harmful. To the individual, to society, to humanity. Our progress is directly linked to our rationality and reason.</p>
<p>Sure you can get warm fuzzy feelings that have no basis in reality, but what&#8217;s the point in that? I would much rather work at the scientific discoveries that improve conditions in the real world.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to believe in Santa and unicorns and leprechauns to have happiness and brotherly love. A major part of the world&#8217;s problems is various groups who love every brother that shares their delusion, but despises everyone who doesn&#8217;t go along with their particular fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchbert</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve got a slightly different tack on this; my cousin is a dyed-in-the-wool, fundamentalist Xian.  To accept the truth of evolution would be catastrophic.  Evolution implies there were no literal Adam and Eve in The Garden.  There was no &#039;fall from grace&#039;, no &#039;original sin&#039;.  Without &#039;original sin&#039; then there&#039;s no need for &#039;salvation&#039;.  Without the need for &#039;salvation&#039; then Jesus is pointless and the bedrock of Xianity just falls apart.  I know this is extreme, but it&#039;s part of the mosaic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve got a slightly different tack on this; my cousin is a dyed-in-the-wool, fundamentalist Xian.  To accept the truth of evolution would be catastrophic.  Evolution implies there were no literal Adam and Eve in The Garden.  There was no &#8216;fall from grace&#8217;, no &#8216;original sin&#8217;.  Without &#8216;original sin&#8217; then there&#8217;s no need for &#8217;salvation&#8217;.  Without the need for &#8217;salvation&#8217; then Jesus is pointless and the bedrock of Xianity just falls apart.  I know this is extreme, but it&#8217;s part of the mosaic.</p>
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		<title>By: Minh</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Minh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting question Rodrigo. I do not know why the origin of consciousness has not been as vilified as the origin of species. I&#039;m definitely intrigued now why that is.

My guess is that the answer is more political, than philosophical. I am not familiar with the US system, but in Canada, I don&#039;t recall learning neuroscience in High School, but I did learn about evolution. For better or worse, politicians can influence H.S. curriculum because they many H.S. are publically funded. And since evolution is part of H.S., it is targetted.

Universities, on the other hand, which run autonomously from government, don&#039;t teach creationism at all, as far as I know (unless it&#039;s a christian &#039;university&#039;).  There is no court or politician that would even be able to criticize evolution in University without getting their wrist slapped.

My feeling is that when neuroscience reaches the H.S. level, then we will start seeing more opposition and denial regarding its claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting question Rodrigo. I do not know why the origin of consciousness has not been as vilified as the origin of species. I&#8217;m definitely intrigued now why that is.</p>
<p>My guess is that the answer is more political, than philosophical. I am not familiar with the US system, but in Canada, I don&#8217;t recall learning neuroscience in High School, but I did learn about evolution. For better or worse, politicians can influence H.S. curriculum because they many H.S. are publically funded. And since evolution is part of H.S., it is targetted.</p>
<p>Universities, on the other hand, which run autonomously from government, don&#8217;t teach creationism at all, as far as I know (unless it&#8217;s a christian &#8216;university&#8217;).  There is no court or politician that would even be able to criticize evolution in University without getting their wrist slapped.</p>
<p>My feeling is that when neuroscience reaches the H.S. level, then we will start seeing more opposition and denial regarding its claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Knox</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m delighted at having ignited responses to my attempt at examining issues which are often inexplicable. Let the dialogues begin!

I&#039;m off for awhile - but rest assured &quot;I&#039;ll be baaaack!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m delighted at having ignited responses to my attempt at examining issues which are often inexplicable. Let the dialogues begin!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off for awhile &#8211; but rest assured &#8220;I&#8217;ll be baaaack!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo Neely</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo Neely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
I would tend to agree, truth is definitely one of those virtues that is valuable for its own sake. I have a tendency to fire off consequentialism and ask questions later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
I would tend to agree, truth is definitely one of those virtues that is valuable for its own sake. I have a tendency to fire off consequentialism and ask questions later.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Natian</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/17/move-over-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Natian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In short I believe faith is a problem because I think a life lived when reality is accepted on its own terms is a better life for the individual, as it has been for me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

YES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In short I believe faith is a problem because I think a life lived when reality is accepted on its own terms is a better life for the individual, as it has been for me.</p></blockquote>
<p>YES!</p>
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