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	<title>Comments on: Why atheism is a rich man&#8217;s world &#8211; and how we can change it.</title>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s the Thought that Counts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Skeptical blogging brainstorm #2</title>
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		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s the Thought that Counts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Skeptical blogging brainstorm #2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people should get involved in the discussion. A few good examples, in my opinion, can be found in this pro and this contra opinion about recruiting women into skeptical organizations, as well as this post [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] people should get involved in the discussion. A few good examples, in my opinion, can be found in this pro and this contra opinion about recruiting women into skeptical organizations, as well as this post [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Greestein</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Greestein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, but what about the other part... a &quot;rich&quot; man&#039;s world?

Atheism being a world of the &quot;rich&quot;- by which I mean the luxury of a leisure class- is a harder problem to tackle. How do we get those from underprivileged backgrounds to take a stand again irrationality? The perception of a &quot;cultural elite&quot; has always been a difficult stigma for us. As much as I often a promote a capitalistic, top-down approach to activism this needs to be met by a grassroots element, but (granted certain notable exceptions) we rarely see outspoken atheists coming out of the underprivileged sectors of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, but what about the other part&#8230; a &#8220;rich&#8221; man&#8217;s world?</p>
<p>Atheism being a world of the &#8220;rich&#8221;- by which I mean the luxury of a leisure class- is a harder problem to tackle. How do we get those from underprivileged backgrounds to take a stand again irrationality? The perception of a &#8220;cultural elite&#8221; has always been a difficult stigma for us. As much as I often a promote a capitalistic, top-down approach to activism this needs to be met by a grassroots element, but (granted certain notable exceptions) we rarely see outspoken atheists coming out of the underprivileged sectors of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to say thanks to all the Edger crowd for this site. I was made aware of you-all by a post on Ed Brayton&#039;s &quot;Dispatches From the Culture Wars&quot; at Sciencblogs.com.

New Atheism is old, white and male? Maybe, if you ignore Lori Lipman Brown, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ellen Johnson? But, looking at the lists of atheists on wikipedia, one does see a preponderance of men, generally old, and whitish.

I think Katie does a great job explaining why this is so, and whether or not it is a problem that needs dealing with.

I do not think of it as a problem, not even an image problem. What I think is that it is the prefect opportunity to really look into your prejudices and find out why you think the way you do.

Try this: Look at your feelings about the idea that the majority of atheists that one can see are older, whitish rich males. Peel the layers of the onion and apply the reasoning that freethinkers are purported to put ahead of emotionalism. What meaning are you applying to the statistics that is not really there? What consequences do you foresee that really will not come to pass? What bromides are you substituting for thought? Knowing that in 100 years, nearly every person who reads this blog today will be dead, and mostly forgotten, where does this issue really fall on the list of things you -should- be doing to make your time here as meaningful as possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to say thanks to all the Edger crowd for this site. I was made aware of you-all by a post on Ed Brayton&#8217;s &#8220;Dispatches From the Culture Wars&#8221; at Sciencblogs.com.</p>
<p>New Atheism is old, white and male? Maybe, if you ignore Lori Lipman Brown, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ellen Johnson? But, looking at the lists of atheists on wikipedia, one does see a preponderance of men, generally old, and whitish.</p>
<p>I think Katie does a great job explaining why this is so, and whether or not it is a problem that needs dealing with.</p>
<p>I do not think of it as a problem, not even an image problem. What I think is that it is the prefect opportunity to really look into your prejudices and find out why you think the way you do.</p>
<p>Try this: Look at your feelings about the idea that the majority of atheists that one can see are older, whitish rich males. Peel the layers of the onion and apply the reasoning that freethinkers are purported to put ahead of emotionalism. What meaning are you applying to the statistics that is not really there? What consequences do you foresee that really will not come to pass? What bromides are you substituting for thought? Knowing that in 100 years, nearly every person who reads this blog today will be dead, and mostly forgotten, where does this issue really fall on the list of things you -should- be doing to make your time here as meaningful as possible?</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because 8:2 is more readily translated to 80:20</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because 8:2 is more readily translated to 80:20</p>
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		<title>By: Keir Hardie</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Keir Hardie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an atheist and yeah, we&#039;re not natural proselytizers, but I think some of us (not me really) feel we have to be for the sake of balance against the assault of religious proselytizers, I personally feel under attack when I see them in my town centre, and hate the thought that they might influence someone.  I live in the UK, by the way, where atheism is much more socially acceptable than in the US, it would be interesting to know if the same gender imbalance exists here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an atheist and yeah, we&#8217;re not natural proselytizers, but I think some of us (not me really) feel we have to be for the sake of balance against the assault of religious proselytizers, I personally feel under attack when I see them in my town centre, and hate the thought that they might influence someone.  I live in the UK, by the way, where atheism is much more socially acceptable than in the US, it would be interesting to know if the same gender imbalance exists here.</p>
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		<title>By: martha</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I have been what could be called an &quot;atheist&quot; for many years, although I don&#039;t go around advertising it.  One of the many things I find repellent about religion is its proselytizing aspect, so why would I want to do that in the name of atheism?  Anyone who is moderately intelligent and interested in the truth about religion will eventually arrive at the conclusion that it is nonsense.  Trying to force people to see what they&#039;re not ready to see is pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I have been what could be called an &#8220;atheist&#8221; for many years, although I don&#8217;t go around advertising it.  One of the many things I find repellent about religion is its proselytizing aspect, so why would I want to do that in the name of atheism?  Anyone who is moderately intelligent and interested in the truth about religion will eventually arrive at the conclusion that it is nonsense.  Trying to force people to see what they&#8217;re not ready to see is pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Handley</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if it&#039;s more a case of women not feeling welcome or that active membership isn&#039;t as important. I&#039;ve done much Facebook searching to recruit for my campus club and found that most people who label themselves &quot;atheist&quot; are male, and most who label themselves &quot;agnostic&quot; are female. Though, I&#039;m wary to make any broad generalizations from this observation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s more a case of women not feeling welcome or that active membership isn&#8217;t as important. I&#8217;ve done much Facebook searching to recruit for my campus club and found that most people who label themselves &#8220;atheist&#8221; are male, and most who label themselves &#8220;agnostic&#8221; are female. Though, I&#8217;m wary to make any broad generalizations from this observation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Tyler, it seems as those we are working from anecdotal data.  But the actual data being beside the point, if there is a perception in your atheist circles that women aren&#039;t joining is reason enough to address the issue. So, I know that there are many women and transgenders who are atheists, perhaps they can tell you why they are not feeling welcome; or perhaps they just don&#039;t perceive that active membership is important to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Tyler, it seems as those we are working from anecdotal data.  But the actual data being beside the point, if there is a perception in your atheist circles that women aren&#8217;t joining is reason enough to address the issue. So, I know that there are many women and transgenders who are atheists, perhaps they can tell you why they are not feeling welcome; or perhaps they just don&#8217;t perceive that active membership is important to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Handley</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know??</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Kish</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/14/feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Kish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why wouldn&#039;t you say do the lowest common denominator thing and say 4 to 1? ... just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why wouldn&#8217;t you say do the lowest common denominator thing and say 4 to 1? &#8230; just curious.</p>
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