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	<title>Comments on: Is irreducible complexity a problem for evolution?</title>
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		<title>By: Armed Atheist</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/13/is-irreducible-complexity-a-problem-for-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Armed Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalini, I love you forever but you have got to proof read your posts before you publish. I can feel the energy of your passions and you are a good writer, but a careful reading before sending would improve your arguments. That being said, keep kicking them in the nuts. You are still my favorite rude woman blogger.

Christ D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalini, I love you forever but you have got to proof read your posts before you publish. I can feel the energy of your passions and you are a good writer, but a careful reading before sending would improve your arguments. That being said, keep kicking them in the nuts. You are still my favorite rude woman blogger.</p>
<p>Christ D</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Doering</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/13/is-irreducible-complexity-a-problem-for-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman Doering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, ID is a fraud, I&#039;ve got my own anti-creationist posts on my blog:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/08/dealing-with-abysmal-ignorance.html

But this question, &quot;How does the design inference improve our understanding of how the universe works?&quot; can be answered. It would improve our understanding &lt;b&gt;if it were true&lt;/b&gt;, we could go from asking if the &quot;design&quot; has a purpose to asking what is that purpose. In fact, in a sense we already do this by saying, in not entirely metaphoric terms, that the design purpose of an organism is to leave more copies than its competitors. Life resembles some sort of sim game to see which designer can win dominance of an environment.

However, since its not true, we can&#039;t find any real other purpose than survival of the fittest. You&#039;d have to go back to the watchmaker argument. With a watch you might discover something about the person who made it -- in fact scientists do stuff like that with anthropology all the time.

Also, I would question this claim: &quot;Even if evolution is shown to be false, the ID approach is only one out of a vast number of possible answers to the question of origins, and there is no reason to assume that ID is the correct explanation by default.&quot;

Okay, name some others. If you ever get into a debate, be prepared to be challenged on that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, ID is a fraud, I&#8217;ve got my own anti-creationist posts on my blog:<br />
<a href="http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/08/dealing-with-abysmal-ignorance.html" rel="nofollow">http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/08/dealing-with-abysmal-ignorance.html</a></p>
<p>But this question, &#8220;How does the design inference improve our understanding of how the universe works?&#8221; can be answered. It would improve our understanding <b>if it were true</b>, we could go from asking if the &#8220;design&#8221; has a purpose to asking what is that purpose. In fact, in a sense we already do this by saying, in not entirely metaphoric terms, that the design purpose of an organism is to leave more copies than its competitors. Life resembles some sort of sim game to see which designer can win dominance of an environment.</p>
<p>However, since its not true, we can&#8217;t find any real other purpose than survival of the fittest. You&#8217;d have to go back to the watchmaker argument. With a watch you might discover something about the person who made it &#8212; in fact scientists do stuff like that with anthropology all the time.</p>
<p>Also, I would question this claim: &#8220;Even if evolution is shown to be false, the ID approach is only one out of a vast number of possible answers to the question of origins, and there is no reason to assume that ID is the correct explanation by default.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, name some others. If you ever get into a debate, be prepared to be challenged on that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey N.</title>
		<link>http://factonista.org/2008/08/13/is-irreducible-complexity-a-problem-for-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad when people with a fluent understanding of these types of concepts speak out against the gaping holes in the conclusions being drawn by ID-ists. It is a very poor assessment of reality to go from &quot;we don&#039;t know how this happened&quot; to &quot;God did it!&quot; Irreducible Complexity seems like an attempt by so called &quot;christian&quot; scientists to offer pseudoscientific jargon to the masses of blind religious followers so they can sound like they know what they are talking about in a debate. I would love to hear Victor Stenger in a live discussion with one of these nut bags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad when people with a fluent understanding of these types of concepts speak out against the gaping holes in the conclusions being drawn by ID-ists. It is a very poor assessment of reality to go from &#8220;we don&#8217;t know how this happened&#8221; to &#8220;God did it!&#8221; Irreducible Complexity seems like an attempt by so called &#8220;christian&#8221; scientists to offer pseudoscientific jargon to the masses of blind religious followers so they can sound like they know what they are talking about in a debate. I would love to hear Victor Stenger in a live discussion with one of these nut bags.</p>
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